Reply With QuoteSo shite. Nsw club race season cut in half now.
Cancelled for the reasons stated here:
http://www.formula-xtreme.com.au/New...s?newsid=19138
Terry O'Neil "Unfortunately because of some of the changes that have been made we will have to walk away from the FXRRC introductory club level series at Wakefield Park as well. We started running a similar introductory club level series up in Queensland last year and that will not only continue on but expand."
So shite. Nsw club race season cut in half now.
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Racing St George and Australasian Superbike Championships in 2017 on:
2002 Yellow WeeSV 650
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Formerly on a Yellow 2000 SV650S (now deceased, thanks to me).
I won't miss Wakefield....
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I'm not a big fan either but I would rather Wakefield than nothing... Would be great if they could hold it at SMSP.
We should start pushing for that....
Especially for people just starting out in racing like me. Not good enough to run asbk or ascOriginally Posted by BR
But not enough club racing to get experience to move on.
Getting fxrrc moved to smsp would be pretty awesome.
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Racing St George and Australasian Superbike Championships in 2017 on:
2002 Yellow WeeSV 650
2010 Yamaha R6
Formerly on a Yellow 2000 SV650S (now deceased, thanks to me).
Hey Check this out this is off there website??
Scroll down to view all the dates for 2016
2016 Swann Insurance Australasian Superbike Championship ** Updated 17.2
Rnd 1 … 11th – 12th March Sydney Motorsport Park (Fri-Sat Day/Twilight)
Rnd 2 … 27th – 29th May Mallala Raceway SA
Rnd 3 … 8th – 10th July Queensland Raceway Qld
Rnd 4 … 9th – 10th September Sydney Motorsport Park (Fri-Sat Day/Twilight)
Rnd 5 … 28th - 30th October Queensland Raceway Qld
Rnd 6 …16th – 17th Dec Sydney Motorsport Park (Fri–Sat Day/Twilight)
2016 QRFX – Saturday (afternoon) & Sunday - Queensland Raceway
Rnd 1 … 16 – 17 April
Rnd 2 … 25 – 26 June
Rnd 3 … 3 - 4 September
Rnd 4 … 19 – 20 November
2016 FXRRC – Saturday & Sunday - Wakefield Park
Rnd 1 … 2 – 3 April
Rnd 2 … 23 – 24 July
Rnd 3 … 8 - 9 October
Terry confirmed to me that fxrrc is cancelled for this year man. The website still needs updating it seems.
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Racing St George and Australasian Superbike Championships in 2017 on:
2002 Yellow WeeSV 650
2010 Yamaha R6
Formerly on a Yellow 2000 SV650S (now deceased, thanks to me).
Yeah that's been up there for a while, but that quote from TO was from an hour ago.
Pretty shameful stuff. We need more club racing not less. Sounds like politics getting in the way of racing.
Many awesome times at wakefield need more racing there.
That sux
Wonder if StG could move their weekend to the april FXRRC weekend. Would get heaps better turn out I'd imagine..
Good idea. Would prefer an extra round though
Couldn't agree with you more mate. Not a fan of wakey but its better then nothing.
Think i have had my say on TONs post enough haha.
Oh well maybe need to enter the ASC rounds purely for seat time. Will be embarrassing though haha
You might be pleasantly surprised, mate. There's usually as much range of abilities across the field as at a club day. Have a look at the results online. Besides, being a slower rider in a faster group is the best way to get quicker! It's like at a track day - you learn more from being dragged along by slightly quicker riders. Of course, I don't mean be Yellow pace in Red.
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It might be worth petitioning the St George committee to expand their offering with a class for noobs. As I understand it, the problem with RYM specifically is the non-track-prepared nature of the bikes. Letting road bikes race is potentially problematic from a safety and insurance point of view.
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Make it bloody busy for bears
NATIONALS ROUND 1 MAC PARK - March 26 - March 27 Mac Park Mt. Gambier, Australia
CLUBBIES ROUND 2 BROADFORD - April 9 - April 10 Broadford State Motorcycle Complex,
put one on the 4 and that's 3meeting & 2600 + 400 + 1600 = 4600km in 3weeks
If everyone joins ASC and etc it would just be a matter of time before they create a new class... There wouldn't be enough spots for everyone on most classes and some of the much slower riders would annoy the faster riders during qually/practice.
Hopefully it won't come to that and some common sense will prevail with new rounds or series being announce in the near future. Then again, common sense and racing series in Australia...
This off face book... I was booked in for March 18as well... Nothing mid week at SMSP in March
Please be aware that there has been a parting of ways between ourselves and Wakefield Park Raceway management.That being the case our scheduled ride day for next week has been cancelled. My apologies for any inconvenience this has caused to those who were booked in. For those who were booked in please be aware no one has been charged for next weeks or any other future ride day. ... cheers Terry.
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That sux! I hope the management at WP come to regret this. No, it's not the best track in the world but the track days, RYM and the FXRRC were run really well and we're always fun. Being much closer to Canberra than anywhere else also helped.
All further WP ride days have also been cancelled
Just highlights Canberra's need for a race track. Can pretty much just call EC the local track now :(
So basically no more motorcycles at WP?
Sounds like it. Same with Winton. I was interested in the resurfaced track!
Hmmm... all of a sudden your moving to Melbourne sounds a lot more like winning the lottery, hey?!
Is that just FX and ride days though? What about StGeorge in August? Although wouldn't be much point without track days for practice.
Do you Reckon another operator has the foot in the door already ???
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I'd say they are just going to get someone else to run them.
Good riddance to him. The club racing was NOT club racing, he just trademarked the name 'club racing' to include it in the title. It was simply a cheaper version of FX/ASC for slower riders. All profits went into HIS pockets, not a club and it prevented clubs from accessing the track to run actual CLUB racing.
I'm fairly new to this sport, but I still remember St George getting shafted when TON started his 'club' racing and scheduled a meet the weekend before St George had a race meet, forcing them to cancel their event and leaving them with only 3 rounds and at risk of losing their major sponsor. The whole thing was a bid by TON to sink St George (the only modern racing club left standing) and create a total monopoly on Road Racing in NSW. If it wasn't for St George branching out to Broadford, the road racing part of the club would have folded and we would have had NO club racing in this state at all.
Personally, I am glad the fat prick is gone from Wakefield. Hopefully, it will result in other clubs getting better access to the track and the track being better maintained.
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Dont hold back Rob ! hehehe but yes i remember that season..... not good in anyones view lots of blame and counter blame
Gee this country is fucked for bike racing.........
Can anyone else see this and I dont mean just us :(
TON just confirmed on Facebook that Wakefield will get someone else to run the ride days, so don't panic, we will still get to ride there.
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I reckon it will be cheaper tooHahahahahahaa maybe not
The sad part is, it never used to be. In the 90's road racing was thriving. Coincidentally, it has gone downhill ever since guess who has been involved. Now I'm not saying it's all his fault, but it is interesting to note that it has gradually declined (died) since he started FX. I think the only person that's been worse for the sport has been Konsky.
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And there's an obvious cause for most of it. Perhaps we are seeing some very recent improvement.
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I'm guessing my 2 free ridedays I won in his club series won't be honored by either WP or the new operator :-(
FYI TON talked the new management team out of charging $50 to use the carports, but they pushed ahead with $80 for a garage and the $195 ride fee increases
Winton have no ride days and have separated the bikes from their Friday Test and Tune days, bikes have only 3 Friday test and tune days this year, there seems to be a backward pattern to the Benalla Auto Clubs think regarding motorbike using their facilities
Like him or loath him he has increased motorcycle racer numbers through his race your mates/club racing.
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Some of you probably don’t know me, I have only returned to track riding a couple of months ago. A few years ago I was doing regular track days but I chucked it in because of the problem of not enough track time. It frustrates the shit out of me. I don't know about you, but I want to ride every weekend.
Here are some thoughts for discussion. Some of it is obvious stuff. Just wanted to get a bit of discussion going around what can be done to change our predicament.
We need more tracks within a reasonable distance of Sydney. More tracks, more competition for the racing dollar, lower prices, more events. How do we do this?
We need to do everything that we can to make CASAR Park happen and to ensure we have representation on the board.
More racing per day – During daylight savings we should be demanding extended racing schedules. I.e. to 8pm. If you are interested in this then we should be asking for it.
What about a summer series? Would there be interest in that? More rounds of St George? Why aren’t there more??
Reducing the cost of traveling to other tracks such as Qld and Vic. This will put pressure on the local (NSW) promoter to keep costs down and make staying local attractive.
This could be done via a riders co-operative. Say 10-15 people decide to do Hartwell at Broadford then you could make group bookings for accommodation and request a reduced rate.
Combine transport, instead of everyone making their own way there, combine transport and share the costs.
Could you also get discounted rates on tyres etc if done as a group buy?
What about an informal series made up of select rounds from other series? I cbf going to QLD for every round of QRFX, but I could see myself doing one round. So an informal series made up of say 1 round of QRFX, 1 round of Hartwell, 1 round of St George etc. Map the categories across the different events, then combine results from each event to arrive at final results.
This would have the benefits of extending the season (informally) and put pressure on promoters and demonstrate the level of demand.
We could have trophies and everything.
That’s probably a stupid idea. Ignore me.
It strikes me that if the existing institutions and promoters are not delivering what we want then we need to go around them and make it happen ourselves. Or at least make ourselves heard.
Ya BR we know youBeen trying to find you at the track a few times when ive seen your name turn up... Pretty sure i bought my Perini White race suit, berik boots and Bell helmet off you when you were finishing up! Its now the Flat track suit (if and when flat track events run when i can get to them) Served me well until i crashed it a few times at Broadford. Yep, the promoters dont want to help the little guys and with the St G club being the only club racing in NSW (possibly FX considered as club racing if all the teams leave for ASBK) there isnt much tracktime. Couple of people do the Hartwell rounds at Broadford and PI. The transport thing would be cool, just depends if people trust others with their track babies (im tentative). Accomodation is the big one i think for interstate rounds.
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Hey Carl ☺ I've seen you there but I don't think you recognized me! My hair is a bit longer than it was...
Really glad the gear is working for you. I have seen you on track and you are flying! Awesome mateKeep it up!
I agree that the little guy is not going to be a high priority for any of the stakeholders...except the little guy. Fair enough, it's not a charity and they don't owe us anything we don't pay for.
Clearly there is a demand for more club level racing in NSW. So why aren't there more St George rounds? Anyone know?
interesting commentary.....
wonder if that would change if the facts were involved...
Sorry Peeps, but a lot of the emotion above should be considered in a wider context.
None of us here know the full story, and the ins and outs of the decisions made.. suffice to say, there are at least 3 sides to every story...
I put it out there to anyone who has raced in FXRRC... did you enjoy it? did you go back?
How can not having 2 tracks (Wacky and Winton) which are run by BAC who have decided to not do AASA bike licences anymore (not sure of their drivers for this decision) and appear to not have an interest in bikes, be better for anyone in the bike game?
From a personal point, giving me an MA licence in lieu of the now cancelled AASA licence sounds honourable (at least I am covered for the next month or 2).... it also now costs me an extra couple of hundred to maintain the said licence... for an occasional race meet.
I'm not sure any of this has helped the sport.
Might be time to get back into Road riding....
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Hey Carl ☺ I've seen you there but I don't think you recognized me! My hair is a bit longer than it was...
Really glad the gear is working for you. I have seen you on track and you are flying! Awesome mate
I agree that the little guy is not going to be a high priority for any of the stakeholders...except the little guy. Fair enough, it's not a charity and they don't owe us anything we don't pay for.
Clearly there is a demand for more club level racing in NSW. So why aren't there more St George rounds? Anyone know?
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it costs a lot to hire the track and the tracks give priority to 4 wheels.. the tracks are usually booked out over a year in advance so getting a run means bumping someone else out of the timeslot... ie another committed and paying customer..
and realistically, how many people can afford the time/ cost to attend 10 rounds in one series? would put it out there that there may be 10-20 who would, but the majority wouldn't so the championship would be decided by those that came to every event regardless of points...
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I completely agree Mick. This is the reason for this particular issue. But I think there is a more fundamental problem here. As you said in your second post...Track Time. Everything else flows from that.
Point taken re additional St George rounds.
Primarily cost, and a lack of desire to do the heavy lifting involved in planning and running additional race meets.
St George makes a substantial loss on race meets as often as it makes a tiny surplus. The sheer cost of running a meet at EC is uneconomic unless it's incredibly well attended (and they don't even pay anyone, so they are completely reliant on volunteers, which are also in short supply). So it's likely to cost the club even more money to run additional events.
But mostly it's because it's almost entirely organised and run by Jan Blizzard, who is about 115 years old, does it out of love for motorcycle racing (her long long long since dearly departed hubby was a stalwart racer and then official.... the Arthur Blizzard Memorial Steward's Room is of course in his memory).
Bless her cotton socks; she does an amazing job, but there are limits! God knows what's gonna happen if her health deteriorates further.
Allison has been doing a fantastic job becoming the new Jan, and for that we should all be very grateful. Yay!
What really needs to happen is a changing of the guard at the club committee, or a much stronger road-race representation. Like MA, the club is 80% about dirt bikes. And frankly, the chook chasers carry us road racers financially, for when nobody turns up at Broadford, or the 4 hour, or (I foresee) at Phillip Island in the dead of winter, and the club loses $10k to 20k on a race meet.
We are a fickle bunch! We want more and varied racing, yet when it is provided for us we are fair-weather racers and only attend if we feel like it.
Yes, the calendar is backwards and it should be changed, but there are competing interests. Broadford is a good example: the first year (June long weekend) was very well attended, but the following year at the same time wasn't. People wanted warmer weather, so it was moved to September (from memory), and nobody turned up then either! So the assumption by the club was that people didn't want to travel without the June long weekend Monday public holiday to drive home (rightly or wrongly), and June has since remained the preferred 'away' round. Hence the PI date.
Soooo, answers on a postcard. You can't please all of the people etc.
When was the last time anyone attended one of the fortnightly committee meetings? Admittedly they are horribly inconvenient, being roughly Sutherland and about an-hour-and-quarter away for me, plus on a school night, which is even worse. But still, without voicing any of this, we are just pissing in the wind on an online forum!!
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This!
And also, you're right Nick... ppl want to race at the warmer days. Everyone knows that. I understand it's hard to book the track on the 'best' part of year due to cars also wanting those dates and being more financially viable. But at the same time, if you had a steady race calendar with races like PI or Winton happening in November for example instead of changing every year, I think it would see attendance grow. Especially if like BR said, the organizers took advantage of the daylight savings by adding a lap or 2 per race...
Mick also hit the nail when he said that very few ppl would attend 10 rounds. So again, what you need is value for money to attract the "undecided" and using the daylight saving would allow them to do just that at virtually no extra cost. Obviously I have no idea of the implications of that, i.e. contract or insurance issues... but it does sound like a no brainer for a club that is struggling.
^^^^^ What he said. (Nick)
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I respectfully disagree, as usual, with your view Mick.
AASA was a workaround for TON to dodge the fact that the governing body of our sport thought what TON was doing to splinter the sport into two competing series for personal gain was wrong. I agree. Would you really argue that having two competing series is good for the sport?? Superleague, anyone?
Remember that TON had just been fired by MA from running ASBK, 5 years into a 10 year contract. Nobody really knows the underlying reasons for that, but to have the governing body make a judgement for the benefit of the sport should be respected, not circumvented.
This RACER insurance and track licensing bullshit is AASA all over again but with a different name. It's circumventing the governing body, again for personal gain, demonstrably not for the good of the sport.
The FXRRC ("FX Road Racing Club", with a disclaimer that 'Road Racing Club' is a registered business name of TON's company, not an actual club) was designed to run St George out of business. He even copied the prizes and rule structure. He scheduled a race meet for a week prior to ST George, to steal the club's customers.
RYM is the one decent thing he's done. But that has been corrupted too; it used to be run with a track day, not with a race meet. Running it as a proper race meet again just competes with St George.
I agree St George should implement some better 'intro to racing' program, however insurance issues for TON are indicating that letting road bikes go racing is perhaps not the best way to go. If you broke your neck (or worse) racing in RYM because a road-going race bike wasn't lockwired, what would you think of RYM in it's current form?
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Sure ton is trying to make some coin out of it. But for a private race series to be able to compete against and to be realistic completely dominate ma series for the last couple of years while still making the organiser money says a huge amount about the ma organised events.
If the clubs and asbk series were run properly tons events would never had got anywhere. Nobody wants 2 series to compete against each other but really if a competitor can take that much business off these existing organizations it says they aren't doing things too well.
I'd love the new push for asbk to succeed and i hope it does.
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Speaking of which (and I promise to stop criticising the rotund one for a while), did anyone notice that both Yamaha and Honda have quietly switched camps? Honda for the year for sure, and the last holdout Yamaha on a conditional basis, depending on how round 1 at WSBK goes.
Honda: http://www.cycleonline.com.au/2016/0...-honda-racing/
Yamaha: http://www.cycleonline.com.au/2016/0...sc-commitment/
In looking for those links, I just found some more info on what I've been saying, if we aren't all sick of it by now
http://www.cycleonline.com.au/2016/02/20/cycle-360-32/
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Thats what makes healthy debate mate so no probs there from my end. If we all agreed there would be no point of the discussion.
As a general comment and not aimed at anybody in particular, discussion tends to degenerate when comments become personal emotional attacks on individuals without relevence to the issues at hand. Focusing on facts helps keep the discussion going and productive.
I put it out there, wasnt there a mass disgruntement among MA members about the way MA was running things in recent years? To the point that a new board was elected I believe?
As the governing body should people have not just accepted the way it was being run?
Obviously not and people choose different options to improve the situation.
Not everyone agrees with those actions.. always 3 sides to it...
Slipped off soap box again
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Well said, Little MickIt's just a friendly discussion, with different (not incorrect) viewpoints.
I agree wholeheartedly that MA was a basket case until a couple of years ago, although it wasn't always thus. The whole Konsky and White days were dark, dysfunctional days that are thoroughly best forgotten. Changes took too long to happen, and we have all suffered for it in various ways. Certainly, starting a competing series is one valid way to deal with that situation.
Anyhoooo, it is interesting times we are moving into this year. ASBK's bid to cement itself as the premier national series again looks strong this year. I hope the racing is great! I'll do my part and carve up as many people as I can on my way to victory
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we do need multiple series in NSW, but they need to be series that compliment each other, in both cost and format, if TON was able to run his RYM and "club series in at SMSP if would have been the best of them all, although granted the 70-80 odd competitors it attracted at WP made it a great meet, easy going and plenty of races with plenty of laps, and most of my races were hard fought and clean racing...Wakefields layout of being able to see 90% of the track from the pits also added greatly to the atmosphere, as you could watch other races while doing your own thing in your garage :-)
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My first race meet other than rym was fxrrc at ec. It was like a drug. Ed, Bernie, penko, Stu, to name a few were all there and it was the start of some great friendships. Bernie and I were battling at the back and sheepstations were at stake lol. Was one I'll remember for a long time
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If you ran RYM at SMSP with 80 riders, your entry would be over $1000, otherwise the promoter would do their arse.
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It looks to me like ASBK is starting to build momentum, which will no doubt see FX returning to where it was a few years ago. It has only flourished the way it has, due to the mismanagement of ASBK and once it is back up and running, it will be seen as the true premier class of racing again and (I would think) the top teams will leave FX.Speaking of which (and I promise to stop criticising the rotund one for a while), did anyone notice that both Yamaha and Honda have quietly switched camps? Honda for the year for sure, and the last holdout Yamaha on a conditional basis, depending on how round 1 at WSBK goes.
Honda: http://www.cycleonline.com.au/2016/0...-honda-racing/
Yamaha: http://www.cycleonline.com.au/2016/0...sc-commitment/
In looking for those links, I just found some more info on what I've been saying, if we aren't all sick of it by now
http://www.cycleonline.com.au/2016/02/20/cycle-360-32/
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