SMSP - Cameras now allowed!

**Mr.Ed** · 10-03-2015, 05:14 PM

"Cameras are allowed to be used at Sydney Motorsport Park Ride Days. There are certain rules and regulations relating to the use of cameras. They are as follows...

Filming Policies:
1.All camera mountings must securely mounted and be manufacturer specification. No duct tape, bungee cords or other temporary mounts.
2.All cameras must be mounted so as to not create a hazard to the rider or other riders in the event of a crash or collision.
3.Cameras can be mounted on motorcycles only. No cameras attached to helmets and / or any other parts of the riders body.
4.All cameras and mounts must be scrutineered with the motorcycle on the morning of the event, or before being used in the riders first session.
5.There are to be no cables or other attachments between the motorcycle and rider.
6.Any footage released publicly that is deemed inappropriate to be viewed (such as crashes and / or situations resulting in serious injuries to participants) and / or footage that is considered damaging to the venue, promoter or industry, could result in the banning of the rider from future Sydney Motorsport Park Ride Days or California Superbike School events."

**chubb** · 10-03-2015, 05:16 PM

lol and no reasoning to tell you why...

**Nelso** · 10-03-2015, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by chubb

lol and no reasoning to tell you why...

Which do you mean? Why allow them, or why the rules?

**Mr.Ed** · 10-03-2015, 05:39 PM

Does it even matter, really?

I have to say though... I didn't expect them to go all out like that. If it was me running the show I would have made it so that only riders that have completed more than say 5(?) track days would be allowed... This way you trim off the one goers that will be there pushing way beyond their limit just 'cause they have a camera on their bikes, give something back to the 'loyal' customer and it would also work as an incentive to those who are new to keep coming back.

**Leezx10r** · 10-03-2015, 06:52 PM

So can we also run lap timers?

**Ruckos87** · 10-03-2015, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Leezx10r

So can we also run lap timers?

Good question obviously timing off the footage is recoverable so why not???
I hope so I'll get a proper timer instead of hiding my Qstarz in my suits hump ...

**Mr.Ed** · 10-03-2015, 07:22 PM

No lap timers

**Marshy** · 10-03-2015, 07:26 PM

Great!! Cameras are cool

**CBR42** · 10-03-2015, 07:44 PM

Wonder if Stay Upright will allow them too?Seems a strange decision for mega considering they are out in a few months?
Not complaining though.

**Ruckos87** · 10-03-2015, 07:55 PM

I suppose the process with insurers ect would have stated a while back, and they still have CSS so no point not implementing it. Can't hurt to soften the publics perception, also paves the way for P.I ???

**Phat3R** · 10-03-2015, 08:47 PM

Didn't they only allow cameras on the body not bike at the last St George meat?

**Marshy** · 10-03-2015, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Phat3R

Didn't they only allow cameras on the body not bike at the last St George meat?

Yes, in accordance with the daft rule that crept unnoticed into the GCRs, and which was sensibly never enforced until someone insisted on an on-the-spot ruling from the Steward, which meant they had no choice but to uphold the rule. I've already submitted a rule-change submission to MA.

**Phat3R** · 10-03-2015, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Marshy

Yes, in accordance with the daft rule that crept unnoticed into the GCRs, and which was sensibly never enforced until someone insisted on an on-the-spot ruling from the Steward, which meant they had no choice but to uphold the rule. I've already submitted a rule-change submission to MA.

Nick - you orgianiz'in sensible shit again with/for MA - when you gonna run for a spot on the board? ;-) How did the Michael Schumacher clauze get in there in the first place - their insurers seem like some farked up dudes ???

**Phat3R** · 10-03-2015, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Plumb

I hope so I'll get a proper timer instead of hiding my Qstarz in my suits hump ...

Shhhh ... Nelso will be donning the rubber gloves for cavity searches of people'z humpz!

**WETTY** · 11-03-2015, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Marshy

Yes, in accordance with the daft rule that crept unnoticed into the GCRs, and which was sensibly never enforced until someone insisted on an on-the-spot ruling from the Steward, which meant they had no choice but to uphold the rule. I've already submitted a rule-change submission to MA.

they are allowed at the BSFOS . even says so in the supp regs , fuk nose why they are allowed now or why they were not at st George

**stevem** · 11-03-2015, 04:43 PM

Because some wacker wanted to press the point and left the steward no option but to follow the rule book.

**WETTY** · 11-03-2015, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by stevem

Because some wacker wanted to press the point and left the steward no option but to follow the rule book.

calm down bagger , there seems to be some hostility i am feeling

**stevem** · 11-03-2015, 06:45 PM

Sorry

**Nelso** · 11-03-2015, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Phat3R

Shhhh ... Nelso will be donning the rubber gloves for cavity searches of people'z humpz!

Only if you say please. You did mean rump, not hump, didn't you?

To be fair, there's not many people's timers I have had to do anything about. If it's not obvious, they usually slip through unnoticed.

For the record, the 'no lap timers at ride days' is an ARDC rule for MEGA to comply with, so I doubt there will be a change with that one, but the 'no cameras' was always a MEGA imposed rule and was simply there to align Sydney with Philip Island's rules of 'no cameras', which are imposed by the owners of PI.

**Ruckos87** · 11-03-2015, 09:04 PM

I feel like I should be standing in the corner at school

Cheers all

**Mr.Ed** · 11-03-2015, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Nelso

but the 'no cameras' was always a MEGA imposed rule and was simply there to align Sydney with Philip Island's rules of 'no cameras', which are imposed by the owners of PI.

If that's the case, they REAAALLY deserved it... That's got to be one of the most ridiculous business ideas ever. "Oh... I know, PI doesn't let us run cameras, which every customer really wants. Let's do the same to Eastern Creek!!!"

**Linden** · 12-03-2015, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by stevem

Because some wacker wanted to press the point and left the steward no option but to follow the rule book.

That would be me ....

After I was the one that had the "No Camera Rule" implemented and imposed on me in scrutineering! <gob smacked>

I was hoping that I could get sanity to prevail but ....

As to the Steward following the rules ... there is NO RULE about cameras on bikes - Just on Helmets <stupid>

**Marshy** · 12-03-2015, 04:48 PM

For future reference, Linden, whenever an over-zealous scrutineer imposes their own rules, the usual response is "yes, Sir" and then sort it out yourself later on.

**Bigjim** · 12-03-2015, 07:47 PM

Speaking of camera's, any recommendations? Thinking GoPro would be the way to go but not sure of which model?

**Saturnalian** · 12-03-2015, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Linden

That would be me ....

After I was the one that had the "No Camera Rule" implemented and imposed on me in scrutineering! <gob smacked>

I was hoping that I could get sanity to prevail but ....

As to the Steward following the rules ... there is NO RULE about cameras on bikes - Just on Helmets <stupid>

It was kind of both of us Linden... After you mentioned your result in scrutineering i told Terry that my bike had been scrutineered with Camera's on and "Cam OK" had been written on my scrutineering sticker.
He then went back to the Steward for clarification who said no camera's. So, actually, fuck it, yeah it is your fault.....

The dumb part of the rulebook thing is that if its not in there, it is to be assumed that it is not allowed.

**Linden** · 13-03-2015, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Marshy

For future reference, Linden, whenever an over-zealous scrutineer imposes their own rules, the usual response is "yes, Sir" and then sort it out yourself later on.

Figured it was just too stupid and would be approved without any real issue

Originally Posted by Saturnalian

It was kind of both of us Linden... After you mentioned your result in scrutineering i told Terry that my bike had been scrutineered with Camera's on and "Cam OK" had been written on my scrutineering sticker.
He then went back to the Steward for clarification who said no camera's. So, actually, fuck it, yeah it is your fault.....

The dumb part of the rulebook thing is that if its not in there, it is to be assumed that it is not allowed.

I didn't know the Steward at this round suspect it was her first and the easiest answer is NO

I'm still stuffed as to why after passing X no of bikes with cameras they (the scrutineers - and it was weird how it happened) suddenly decided to say no cameras

Just wondering when unnecessary thing like Axle sliders (been hit by one of them) Knee Sliders (been hit by one of them) FootPegs (NEARLY been hit by one of them - off a Laverda .5KG of Steel ) will be banned

**Nelso** · 13-03-2015, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Linden

Just wondering when unnecessary thing like Knee Sliders will be banned

Since when have knee sliders become unnecessary? I think I'd fall off the bike if I didn't have mine to lean on.

**Mr.Ed** · 13-03-2015, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Nelso

Since when have knee sliders become unnecessary? I think I'd fall off the bike if I didn't have mine to lean on.

Not sure about knee sliders but those unnecessary footpegs do make a difference for me

**Linden** · 14-03-2015, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Nelso

Since when have knee sliders become unnecessary? I think I'd fall off the bike if I didn't have mine to lean on.

Originally Posted by Mr.Ed

Not sure about knee sliders but those unnecessary footpegs do make a difference for me

Tongue firmly in cheek ... the reason we are out there racing is for sheep stations NO NO personal enjoyment and some of that comes from photos and video etc to review later ... banning cameras is not going to work well for St George UNLESS it all racing ie for some (not me cos shots of all the people riding away is a bit boring) the cameras are ONE of the reasons they are there

**WETTY** · 14-03-2015, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Linden

Tongue firmly in cheek ... the reason we are out there racing is for sheep stations NO NO personal enjoyment and some of that comes from photos and video etc to review later ... banning cameras is not going to work well for St George UNLESS it all racing ie for some (not me cos shots of all the people riding away is a bit boring) the cameras are ONE of the reasons they are there

110% agree ,

and you need to get further up the front linden then you wont get hit by the kitchen sink , fark that made me giggle ,

**WETTY** · 14-03-2015, 08:44 AM

still chukkling away

**stevem** · 14-03-2015, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Bigjim

Speaking of camera's, any recommendations? Thinking GoPro would be the way to go but not sure of which model?

Big Jim , Sorry mate better late than never, Any of the Go Pros are good . Button 699 got a $179 internal battery basic one that takes a good picture, but the more you pay the better the picture gets.

**Ruckos87** · 14-03-2015, 01:10 PM

Where / how do u guys generally mount the camera for filming forwards? Rear view is pretty simply fronts got a few options.

**Bigjim** · 14-03-2015, 06:57 PM

Thanks Stevem! A guy at work who does a lot bike stuff recommended the GoPro Hero4. There's a good shop over at Lindfield called Camzilla that specialises in mounts etc. so I might go and check it out.

Cheers, Andrew

**Marshy** · 14-03-2015, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Plumb

Where / how do u guys generally mount the camera for filming forwards? Rear view is pretty simply fronts got a few options.

One bike I have the gopro mounted on the front of the fairing, on one side. It's a great view forwards, but it looks totally shit in photos of the bike from trackside!! The other bike it's mounted on the top triple, looking through the screen. The big advantage is you can see the dash/tacho etc, so you can analyse your riding better. The downside is that the view through the screen is restricted. I'm gonna try and copy SteveM's setup, which is on the front of the tank, but moved a long way low and forwards with extensions. When I've previously tried mounting onto the tank, I always bump it when I tuck under the screen.

**WETTY** · 14-03-2015, 09:14 PM

you fibber nick , never seen you under the screen

**Ruckos87** · 14-03-2015, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Marshy

One bike I have the gopro mounted on the front of the fairing, on one side. It's a great view forwards, but it looks totally shit in photos of the bike from trackside!! The other bike it's mounted on the top triple, looking through the screen. The big advantage is you can see the dash/tacho etc, so you can analyse your riding better. The downside is that the view through the screen is restricted. I'm gonna try and copy SteveM's setup, which is on the front of the tank, but moved a long way low and forwards with extensions. When I've previously tried mounting onto the tank, I always bump it when I tuck under the screen.

Cheers, Yep that's the problem I see, I'll have a poke around Tuesday see what other have set up.

**Marshy** · 14-03-2015, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by WETTY

you fibber nick , never seen you under the screen

It's cos I'm too fat!! My tummy and the tank get in each other's way. I try, but.

**stevem** · 14-03-2015, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Plumb

Cheers, Yep that's the problem I see, I'll have a poke around Tuesday see what other have set up.

I should be in garage 19onTuesday if you want to look at mine , bike 747. There is a couple of vids up on here of mine if you want to see the view.

**Ruckos87** · 14-03-2015, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by stevem

I should be in garage 19onTuesday if you want to look at mine , bike 747. There is a couple of vids up on here of mine if you want to see the view.

Awesome I'll pop in

**Marshy** · 15-03-2015, 03:46 PM

I'm gonna garage with Steve in 19, instead of the usual TT spot.

**Nelso** · 15-03-2015, 08:25 PM

Just a heads up; have your camera fitted for scrurineering so that they can be checked, so that you get a sticker that says you have a camera; otherwise you won't be allowed on track with it fitted to the bike.

**Turtle** · 17-03-2015, 01:12 PM

I sure can't wait to watch back footage and realise how slow I am.

**Marshy** · 18-03-2015, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Turtle

I sure can't wait to watch back footage and realise how slow I am.

**Ruckos87** · 18-03-2015, 10:29 AM

My footage might be interesting

I caught a high side coming out of turn 6 yesterday

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**Marshy** · 18-03-2015, 10:39 AM

Bugger!!! That's no good mate :( You ok?

**Leezx10r** · 18-03-2015, 10:43 AM

Get well soon mate.

If it makes you feel any better I low sided in t5 on Monday.

**Turbo** · 18-03-2015, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Plumb

My footage might be interesting

I caught a high side coming out of turn 6 yesterday

Noooooo!! What happened mate?
That's the worst kind of footage... or is it kneeage?

**Ruckos87** · 18-03-2015, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Marshy

Bugger!!! That's no good mate :( You ok?

Yep back in now, need a ct scan though. Apart from that nothing else injured.
Except my pride and my ears from the mrs ear bashing

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