Yeah, but it's all choices, right? You've got a shed-load of different bikes, PCRA bikes, modern(ish) race bikes, road bikes, chook chasers etc etc. Individually they are worth less than my one bike, yes. But I prefer to chuck all my coin (and spanner time and effort and tuning and tweaking and dialling in etc etc) at one single race bike instead. My one racebike cost a lot less than your fleet, I'd reckon.
If you're not worried about being competitive overall in the class, then who cares if me and Jamie and Stu and Chubb and Wetty and Rick etc throw more cash than you at a racebike. If you do care about winning, pick one class/series/bike and throw everything at that.
My $0.02
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And a little bit back on topic:
Block off plates fitted (and fitting the one on the back cylinders is almost a drop-the-engine job), a race BMC filter fitted, and opened some goodies! An Arrow Ti slip-on and ss mid-pipe (surprisingly reasonably priced), plus some 520 gearing and a lithium battery.
And a real treat - a new Matris rear shock! Unbelievable quality and again, very reasonably priced, this one from the new Aussie importer, Terry Hay. He was even nice enough to give me a free t-shirt! They are actually a bunch cheaper here from Terry than from the majors in the US. Plus he can tweak it to your liking, if need be (although they are hand-built to order in Italy to your own specs, so it should be pretty close). Can't wait to try it!!
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Very nice mate. Looks like Xmas morning. That shock looks horn
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Yep, I 100% agree and it is a choice that we've made to have a variety of less competitive bikes, rather than one very trick bike. I know that I could get rid of my 5 bikes and get 1 brand new top notch bike, but even then I still wouldn't have the talent to win, so it would be a waste. I wasn't complaining about the rules either, just pointing out that they weren't perfect for everyone. Some people just want cheaper racing, which is probably why the 300 class is gaining popularity.
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ZRX1200 road bike
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Maybe I should start selling fairings and rearsets then; there seems to be plenty of money in that. If I remember rightly, you were recently sprouting on about how much cheaper it was to ride dirt bikes and crying about the cost of road racing becoming too much to sustain. I know it's hard (from your ivory tower), but try to empathise with the average person who gets paid a modest salary and can't claim any of their costs as a business expense like yourself. If we want the sport to grow, we need to keep the costs to a minimum, so forgive me if I want to keep the cost of racing from increasing to the point that it is out of reach for the average person.
2011 ZX10R track/race bike
ZRX1200 road bike
Period 6 ZXR 750 race bike
P6 250 production RMX250 motard race bike
2015 YZ450F Dirt track/motard
TE511 trail bike/motard
Sorry Marshy, I'll keep my mouth shut now and let you get back on topic.
I didn't know Matris made shocks (I have one of their dampers on the ZX10), it will be interesting to hear what you think of it.
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ZRX1200 road bike
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P6 250 production RMX250 motard race bike
2015 YZ450F Dirt track/motard
TE511 trail bike/motard
i buy far less food than you so therefore can afford the luxury of owning my Fibro and all my 36 lovelys . and i am gettin back into gokarting this week coz i said no to 2nds last night and the night before
eat less and ride more , you wanna buy a fairing and some rearsets?
This is pretty cool...For a Aprilia anyway.
http://www.bearacer.com/en/rsv4-sbk
2015 Clubsport Unlimited is shaping up to be what CS600 has been the last two seasons! Bring it oooooon!!!
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might actually get more than 15 entries this time round...
I think sideways is the best angle for filming Wetty..... he keeps running into me from the side!!
How's that bruise coming along, Wetty? Mine's pretty much gone now.
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who runs into who , fark. put that vid up will ya, i dare u
it never bruised up but the pain has finally gone , turkey fixes alot , and selling 1 of my girls yest helps even more
now down to 3 RRs , i can almost swing a cat in the shed,
Probably looks different through 1 green eye
Interesting build mate.
At my slow pace it instantly cut 2 sec off at smsp. With skills it probably doesn't make much difference. I am glad I rode mine for 5 year first as it gave me more of a understanding on where the power/traction is. I have only ridden with APRC for 1 adrc practice say and round 5-6 Rjays so still plenty to learn about it.
If you are interested in doing a retro fit checkout my thread on af1.
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/s...APRC-Retro-Fit
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Soooo, now that I actually have proper INTERNET again (it's like the use of your right hand - you don't realise how much you miss it until you don't have it), I can upload some pics again.
The swingarm came back from the welder, which was a relief because it was holding everything up, being such a pivotal part (see what I did there?!?).
Tops job - looks factory
Then the beautiful Matris shock could go in.
The forks came out for a service. The oil was fresh, which is always nice to see (and not very common).
While I was there, I heard that you could reverse the top and bottom steering head angle inserts to get the same geometry as the new models, but sadly this is not the case. I might need to hunt down some replacements.
New chain and sprockets.
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So I managed to do some back-to-back testing with the current racebike and the 09 on Friday at the Creek. At the advice of Terry Hay (who I was asking for a heavier rear spring for the Matris), instead of changing springs I shortened the wheelbase a lot and switched to smaller sprockets to reduce the chain's angle of pull (which makes the rear setup more reliant on traction torque, meaning less load on the rear spring, combined with additional reduction in load from the shorter wheelbase). This markedly improved the handling of the bike, which had been slow and very heavy to turn.
The Matris is a revelation! Aside from setting the sag, I haven't felt the need to touch a clicker from the supplied settings (and most of you would know how unusual that is for me!). In contrast, the TTX which I recently fitted to the 2013 bike - and I had been raving about how good it was (after trying 3 different spring rates) - felt wallowy and uncontrolled. It was a clear, distant 2nd to the Matris.
The OEM Ohlins is fairly good in these bikes, although not for hard race use. The Sachs forks are fantastic, but the rear shock is very disappointing. I've recently completely rebuilt, revalved and resprung a Sachs rear shock (including a RaceTech rebound separator valve etc) and it was a vast improvement but still not as good as the OEM Ohlins. Even the OEM Ohlins falls well short of the TTX, which in turn falls well short of the Matris!
I'm still getting my head around the fact that the R6 is a very 'front-end' bike, whereas the RSV4 is clearly extremely 'rear-end'.
I also replaced the fork springs with a 1.075 combo, which greatly improved the front. The 09 is now being let down by front end geometry, so I'll be on the lookout for some replacement steering head angle insert thingies. It seems they were changed by Aprilia in the later model bikes for a good reason!
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wow . i just bought mine , moaned at Zeno and it was done , lots of work
how easy it is to buy an already prepared bike .
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Pre Modern Formula 1 Champion 2013 (GSXR750T)
www.wet4uracing.com.au Race bike & mechanical prep, fairings and parts - www.bikeshop.com.au (Protech Motorcycles)Tyres, parts and dyno tuning www.stayupright.com.au motorcycle rider training from learners through to track skills - http://worthingtonmotorcycles.com.au BMW, Honda, MV Augusta, Moto Guzzi and Aprilia
So, how do you pick a shock.. just try them all until you find something that works?
In relation to that, how much of what you felt is down to rider preference as opposed to anything else? I remember you saying you enjoyed a softer rear.. might someone else gel with a different shock for different reasons?
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This Clubsport bike is really coming together now! Had it on track on Friday, and it was getting better, but still some issues. The most important from Friday was to fix the oil leaks!! It had gone from a slow weeping to dripping off the side covers and spattering on the exhaust. So yesterday the rocker covers came off and were sealed properly, which has solved the problem for now.
I added an ECU with the 'race' unlock Ape mapping, which gives a few extra ponies for free.
Took it out again today, and concentrated on making setup changes to get it dialled in (today was the last track day for me before the St George weekend). It had been getting better on Friday after making a fairly radical geometry change, and then today I just made a string of relatively small geometry changes (and a couple of clicks here and there) to tweak the setup. It's absolutely gold now! It needs another small tweak (I went slightly too far in the last session), but aside from that it's totally cranking! Still not as quick as the 2013, but it's actually a lot closer than I expected.
A pic from today:
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That was good catching up in that last session man , good riding , respect mate. I appreciate the feed back.
You two just slowly pulled away. It was awesome to watch and I can see where I need to make changes! Look forward to the next one guys.
Thanks mate - it was simply unreal fun trying to stick on your back wheel!! You've greatly assisted me with my T1 demons too, so props for that. Of course, the faster I get through T1, the less dangerous it feels. Scraping my toe through 1 is a first for me.....
Bloody awesome last session, that one. I'm still grinning!! Fark I'm tired though. Not enough track time lately is taking its toll. Can't wait for St George!!
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errr...? *coughfirsttimeoutonchampbikecough*
Issues at the track on any bike new or old sucks balls. BUT there is a bit of excitement as to whether or not it can be fixed by the next session, or at least before the last session!
*cracks fingers and puts behind head* But you know, personally, I fix the issues before I go to the track....... *hoping no one remembers the numerous times something broke, got stuck leaving me at some corner watching the rest of the session finish*
haha yeah, sabbotage fo' sho'
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