Clubsport Unlimited build

[Marshy]

Mine is an '04, has been raced for the last 6 years and hasn't had the engine opened, ever. I have seen two other first gen and one second gen ZX10's that were set up for racing (full of good bits), sell in the last few months and none of them went for more than $4000. Tell me again how these new bikes like the one Marshy is building are going to be cheaper than the 8 to 10 year old bikes. The fact of the matter is, that building up a 5 year old bike will give you a competitive edge over the other riders, but it will cost a shit load more than running an older bike.

Yeah, but it's all choices, right? You've got a shed-load of different bikes, PCRA bikes, modern(ish) race bikes, road bikes, chook chasers etc etc. Individually they are worth less than my one bike, yes. But I prefer to chuck all my coin (and spanner time and effort and tuning and tweaking and dialling in etc etc) at one single race bike instead. My one racebike cost a lot less than your fleet, I'd reckon.

If you're not worried about being competitive overall in the class, then who cares if me and Jamie and Stu and Chubb and Wetty and Rick etc throw more cash than you at a racebike. If you do care about winning, pick one class/series/bike and throw everything at that.

My $0.02

[Marshy]

I think CS600 has grown so much for a number of reasons, one of which might be because you have sold so many R6's to potential racers in the last 12 months.

You just can't argue against that

[Marshy]

And a little bit back on topic:

Block off plates fitted (and fitting the one on the back cylinders is almost a drop-the-engine job), a race BMC filter fitted, and opened some goodies! An Arrow Ti slip-on and ss mid-pipe (surprisingly reasonably priced), plus some 520 gearing and a lithium battery.

And a real treat - a new Matris rear shock! Unbelievable quality and again, very reasonably priced, this one from the new Aussie importer, Terry Hay. He was even nice enough to give me a free t-shirt! They are actually a bunch cheaper here from Terry than from the majors in the US. Plus he can tweak it to your liking, if need be (although they are hand-built to order in Italy to your own specs, so it should be pretty close). Can't wait to try it!!

[senator8]

Very nice mate. Looks like Xmas morning. That shock looks horn

[Turbo]

Oooooft! That shock looks gorgeous!!

[Nelso]

Yeah, but it's all choices, right? You've got a shed-load of different bikes, PCRA bikes, modern(ish) race bikes, road bikes, chook chasers etc etc. Individually they are worth less than my one bike, yes. But I prefer to chuck all my coin (and spanner time and effort and tuning and tweaking and dialling in etc etc) at one single race bike instead. My one racebike cost a lot less than your fleet, I'd reckon.

If you're not worried about being competitive overall in the class, then who cares if me and Jamie and Stu and Chubb and Wetty and Rick etc throw more cash than you at a racebike. If you do care about winning, pick one class/series/bike and throw everything at that.

My $0.02

Yep, I 100% agree and it is a choice that we've made to have a variety of less competitive bikes, rather than one very trick bike. I know that I could get rid of my 5 bikes and get 1 brand new top notch bike, but even then I still wouldn't have the talent to win, so it would be a waste. I wasn't complaining about the rules either, just pointing out that they weren't perfect for everyone. Some people just want cheaper racing, which is probably why the 300 class is gaining popularity.

[Nelso]

Nelso fark u cry about how much it costs
Go take up chess and stop moaning
Now where is that new silicone implant for my toot

Maybe I should start selling fairings and rearsets then; there seems to be plenty of money in that. If I remember rightly, you were recently sprouting on about how much cheaper it was to ride dirt bikes and crying about the cost of road racing becoming too much to sustain. I know it's hard (from your ivory tower), but try to empathise with the average person who gets paid a modest salary and can't claim any of their costs as a business expense like yourself. If we want the sport to grow, we need to keep the costs to a minimum, so forgive me if I want to keep the cost of racing from increasing to the point that it is out of reach for the average person.

[Nelso]

Sorry Marshy, I'll keep my mouth shut now and let you get back on topic.

I didn't know Matris made shocks (I have one of their dampers on the ZX10), it will be interesting to hear what you think of it.

[WETTY]

Maybe I should start selling fairings and rearsets then; there seems to be plenty of money in that. If I remember rightly, you were recently sprouting on about how much cheaper it was to ride dirt bikes and crying about the cost of road racing becoming too much to sustain. I know it's hard (from your ivory tower), but try to empathise with the average person who gets paid a modest salary and can't claim any of their costs as a business expense like yourself. If we want the sport to grow, we need to keep the costs to a minimum, so forgive me if I want to keep the cost of racing from increasing to the point that it is out of reach for the average person.

i buy far less food than you so therefore can afford the luxury of owning my Fibro and all my 36 lovelys . and i am gettin back into gokarting this week coz i said no to 2nds last night and the night before
eat less and ride more , you wanna buy a fairing and some rearsets?

[Baddie]

This is pretty cool...For a Aprilia anyway.

http://www.bearacer.com/en/rsv4-sbk

[Mstevo]

i buy far less food than you so therefore can afford the luxury of owning my Fibro and all my 36 lovelys . and i am gettin back into gokarting this week coz i said no to 2nds last night and the night before
eat less and ride more , you wanna buy a fairing and some rearsets?

Really, you want to go there!!!!

OH please come and race in unlimited clubsport next year!!!

[WETTY]

Really, you want to go there!!!!

OH please come and race in unlimited clubsport next year!!!

already entered.

[Baddie]

already entered.

On Kev's bike?????

[WETTY]

On Kev's bike?????

KC1 or EVA

[Mstevo]

already entered.

excellent!

[Marshy]

2015 Clubsport Unlimited is shaping up to be what CS600 has been the last two seasons! Bring it oooooon!!!

[chubb]

might actually get more than 15 entries this time round...

[WETTY]

2015 Clubsport Unlimited is shaping up to be what CS600 has been the last two seasons! Bring it oooooon!!!

Gotta give ya something to film

[Mstevo]

Gotta give ya something to film

better face your camera backwards then Nick ;-)

[Marshy]

I think sideways is the best angle for filming Wetty..... he keeps running into me from the side!!

How's that bruise coming along, Wetty? Mine's pretty much gone now.

[WETTY]

who runs into who , fark. put that vid up will ya, i dare u
it never bruised up but the pain has finally gone , turkey fixes alot , and selling 1 of my girls yest helps even more
now down to 3 RRs , i can almost swing a cat in the shed,

[stevem]

Probably looks different through 1 green eye

[Breesey]

It's all debt-financed, mate. You don't want any of that action, trust me. Unsustainable, but I just can't help myself!!!



I have my sources

Yes, you can run APRC in Clubsport. There are essentially no rules apart from build date. And I was thinking about adding APRC, but now I reckon I'll just run it old skool as-is. Michael McMillan doesn't run any of the electronics on his current model bikes, so how bad could it be?!?

I would be very keen to hear from Aaron what he thought of the difference with APRC added. Calling Breezey??

Interesting build mate.

At my slow pace it instantly cut 2 sec off at smsp. With skills it probably doesn't make much difference. I am glad I rode mine for 5 year first as it gave me more of a understanding on where the power/traction is. I have only ridden with APRC for 1 adrc practice say and round 5-6 Rjays so still plenty to learn about it.

If you are interested in doing a retro fit checkout my thread on af1.

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/s...APRC-Retro-Fit



2009 RSV4 Factory APRC
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Race ECU | Pazzo Shorty Levers | Racers Edge Fairings | Akrapovic Full Ti System Shortened | Puig Screen Light Tint | TechSpec Tank Grips | GB Racing Clutch and engine Covers | SATO Rearsets | Graves Frame Protection | 520 Renthal Chain Conversion | Annitori QS | Shorai LiFePO4 Battery

[Marshy]

who runs into who , fark. put that vid up will ya, i dare u

I will, I will!

And the Sunday vid clearly showed you running into me again. Yeah rite you were overtaking and running out of room.

It's all good tho - rubbing's racing. Punting people off is not, and you haven't done that to me yet!

[WETTY]

I will, I will!

And the Sunday vid clearly showed you running into me again. Yeah rite you were overtaking and running out of room.

It's all good tho - rubbing's racing. Punting people off is not, and you haven't done that to me yet!

[Marshy]

Soooo, now that I actually have proper INTERNET again (it's like the use of your right hand - you don't realise how much you miss it until you don't have it), I can upload some pics again.

The swingarm came back from the welder, which was a relief because it was holding everything up, being such a pivotal part (see what I did there?!?).

Tops job - looks factory

Then the beautiful Matris shock could go in.








The forks came out for a service. The oil was fresh, which is always nice to see (and not very common).





While I was there, I heard that you could reverse the top and bottom steering head angle inserts to get the same geometry as the new models, but sadly this is not the case. I might need to hunt down some replacements.





New chain and sprockets.

[Turbo]

Soooo, now that I actually have proper INTERNET again (it's like the use of your right hand - you don't realise how much you miss it until you don't have it), I can upload some pics again.

The swingarm came back from the welder, which was a relief because it was holding everything up, being such a pivotal part (see what I did there?!?).

Tops job - looks factory

Then the beautiful Matris shock could go in.








The forks came out for a service. The oil was fresh, which is always nice to see (and not very common).





While I was there, I heard that you could reverse the top and bottom steering head angle inserts to get the same geometry as the new models, but sadly this is not the case. I might need to hunt down some replacements.





New chain and sprockets.

Looking tops mate! Well done.
Interested that you've ridden the oem Sachs, Ohlins and now the Matris rear shock.
What's the pick of the bunch? Why and what are the differences????

[Marshy]

Looking tops mate! Well done.
Interested that you've ridden the oem Sachs, Ohlins and now the Matris rear shock.
What's the pick of the bunch? Why and what are the differences????

So I managed to do some back-to-back testing with the current racebike and the 09 on Friday at the Creek. At the advice of Terry Hay (who I was asking for a heavier rear spring for the Matris), instead of changing springs I shortened the wheelbase a lot and switched to smaller sprockets to reduce the chain's angle of pull (which makes the rear setup more reliant on traction torque, meaning less load on the rear spring, combined with additional reduction in load from the shorter wheelbase). This markedly improved the handling of the bike, which had been slow and very heavy to turn.

The Matris is a revelation! Aside from setting the sag, I haven't felt the need to touch a clicker from the supplied settings (and most of you would know how unusual that is for me!). In contrast, the TTX which I recently fitted to the 2013 bike - and I had been raving about how good it was (after trying 3 different spring rates) - felt wallowy and uncontrolled. It was a clear, distant 2nd to the Matris.

The OEM Ohlins is fairly good in these bikes, although not for hard race use. The Sachs forks are fantastic, but the rear shock is very disappointing. I've recently completely rebuilt, revalved and resprung a Sachs rear shock (including a RaceTech rebound separator valve etc) and it was a vast improvement but still not as good as the OEM Ohlins. Even the OEM Ohlins falls well short of the TTX, which in turn falls well short of the Matris!

I'm still getting my head around the fact that the R6 is a very 'front-end' bike, whereas the RSV4 is clearly extremely 'rear-end'.

I also replaced the fork springs with a 1.075 combo, which greatly improved the front. The 09 is now being let down by front end geometry, so I'll be on the lookout for some replacement steering head angle insert thingies. It seems they were changed by Aprilia in the later model bikes for a good reason!

[WETTY]

wow . i just bought mine , moaned at Zeno and it was done , lots of work

how easy it is to buy an already prepared bike .

[Marshy]

how easy it is to buy an already prepared bike .

Yeah, but all this setting up and dialling in really floats my boat. I'm totally bored once a bike is fixed and fast.... I lose interest completely!

[WETTY]

Yeah, but all this setting up and dialling in really floats my boat. I'm totally bored once a bike is fixed and fast.... I lose interest completely!

what ever keeps your boat afloat , i am well over workin on em at the track , rather stand back and admire my well oiled machine

[Mstevo]

what ever keeps your boat afloat , i am well over workin on em at the track , rather stand back and admire my well oiled machine

you are talking about your bike ???......right!!

[Turbo]

what ever keeps your boat afloat , i am well over workin on em at the track , rather stand back and admire my well oiled machine

Yeah, I think there is a line in there somewhere... Love to be dialling something in but I'd rather not be forced to rip the whole bike apart because it won't start!

[WETTY]

you are talking about your bike ???......right!!

entry is in

[chubb]

bring out the camera man

[Marshy]

Love to be dialling something in but I'd rather not be forced to rip the whole bike apart because it won't start!

Totes!! That's why I don't like old bikes.

[senator8]

Love to be dialling something in but I'd rather not be forced to rip the whole bike apart because it won't start!

That happened to me the other week, and my bike is well prepared. Don't ever want to experience it again.
It's since done a few hot laps of Wenty, but still worries me!

[WETTY]

That happened to me the other week, and my bike is well prepared. Don't ever want to experience it again.
It's since done a few hot laps of Wenty, but still worries me!

constitution Hill thankyou

[senator8]

constitution Hill thankyou

Was going to state correctly but wasn't sure about giving the game away.

[Saturnalian]

bring out the camera man

Is that what you're calling me now ?

[Turbo]

The OEM Ohlins is fairly good in these bikes, although not for hard race use. The Sachs forks are fantastic, but the rear shock is very disappointing. I've recently completely rebuilt, revalved and resprung a Sachs rear shock (including a RaceTech rebound separator valve etc) and it was a vast improvement but still not as good as the OEM Ohlins. Even the OEM Ohlins falls well short of the TTX, which in turn falls well short of the Matris!

So, how do you pick a shock.. just try them all until you find something that works?
In relation to that, how much of what you felt is down to rider preference as opposed to anything else? I remember you saying you enjoyed a softer rear.. might someone else gel with a different shock for different reasons?

[Marshy]

This Clubsport bike is really coming together now! Had it on track on Friday, and it was getting better, but still some issues. The most important from Friday was to fix the oil leaks!! It had gone from a slow weeping to dripping off the side covers and spattering on the exhaust. So yesterday the rocker covers came off and were sealed properly, which has solved the problem for now.

I added an ECU with the 'race' unlock Ape mapping, which gives a few extra ponies for free.

Took it out again today, and concentrated on making setup changes to get it dialled in (today was the last track day for me before the St George weekend). It had been getting better on Friday after making a fairly radical geometry change, and then today I just made a string of relatively small geometry changes (and a couple of clicks here and there) to tweak the setup. It's absolutely gold now! It needs another small tweak (I went slightly too far in the last session), but aside from that it's totally cranking! Still not as quick as the 2013, but it's actually a lot closer than I expected.

A pic from today:

[stevem]

That was good catching up in that last session man , good riding , respect mate. I appreciate the feed back.

[chubb]

You two just slowly pulled away. It was awesome to watch and I can see where I need to make changes! Look forward to the next one guys.

[Marshy]

That was good catching up in that last session man , good riding , respect mate. I appreciate the feed back.

Thanks mate - it was simply unreal fun trying to stick on your back wheel!! You've greatly assisted me with my T1 demons too, so props for that. Of course, the faster I get through T1, the less dangerous it feels. Scraping my toe through 1 is a first for me.....

Bloody awesome last session, that one. I'm still grinning!! Fark I'm tired though. Not enough track time lately is taking its toll. Can't wait for St George!!

[stevem]

You two just slowly pulled away. It was awesome to watch and I can see where I need to make changes! Look forward to the next one guys.

We have never really met ,I'll catch up with you next time out Chubb .Congrats on the new ride mate , your riding well .

[James_]

....but I'd rather not be forced to rip the whole bike apart because it won't start!

errr...? *coughfirsttimeoutonchampbikecough*

Issues at the track on any bike new or old sucks balls. BUT there is a bit of excitement as to whether or not it can be fixed by the next session, or at least before the last session!


*cracks fingers and puts behind head* But you know, personally, I fix the issues before I go to the track....... *hoping no one remembers the numerous times something broke, got stuck leaving me at some corner watching the rest of the session finish*

[Turbo]

errr...? *coughfirsttimeoutonchampbikecough*

Issues at the track on any bike new or old sucks balls. BUT there is a bit of excitement as to whether or not it can be fixed by the next session, or at least before the last session!


*cracks fingers and puts behind head* But you know, personally, I fix the issues before I go to the track....... *hoping no one remembers the numerous times something broke, got stuck leaving me at some corner watching the rest of the session finish*

hahaha, exactly!! I'd really rather not!
I blame the shonky mechanic for that tho

[James_]

haha yeah, sabbotage fo' sho'

[Marshy]

I blame the shonky mechanic for that tho